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		<title>Comment on The Tiresome Insistence of the MOOC by Bedford Bits: Ideas for Teaching Composition &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Grit, MOOCs, and the Question of Completion</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/04/27/the-tiresome-insistence-of-the-mooc/#comment-41219</link>
		<dc:creator>Bedford Bits: Ideas for Teaching Composition &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Grit, MOOCs, and the Question of Completion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 12:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to explore MOOCs(a Massive Open Online Courses) and to search for some answers to my questions about whether the format can for composition [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Audience, Peer Review, and the MOOC by Robert McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/05/05/audience-peer-review-and-the-mooc/#comment-41185</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 11:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an experienced composition teacher, you&#039;ve probably thought of this, but I&#039;m curious enough to prod. One of the responses I have as a teacher reading student self-evaluation essays is to wonder if how satisfied they are and the benefit they get isn&#039;t necessarily the same thing. It seems that sometimes even when they are annoyed with the feedback they get -- from their peers or from me -- they may still be learning the rhetorical concepts of the course. Maybe despite what annoyed them and maybe in spite of it. And even when they don&#039;t complete the course -- at all or to their satisfaction -- they might still be learning. 

Put another way, doesn&#039;t the first part of this reflection -- where you acknowledge that you know about audience awareness but somehow blew it anyway and are now attuned to it in a new way -- argue that the peer reviews did matter, that you are learning and are therefore that you are &quot;doing the work effectively&quot;?

It&#039;s a tenuous theory extended to an uncertain case, I know. I hope it doesn&#039;t come off as antagonistic. Just exploring some other possible interpretations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an experienced composition teacher, you&#8217;ve probably thought of this, but I&#8217;m curious enough to prod. One of the responses I have as a teacher reading student self-evaluation essays is to wonder if how satisfied they are and the benefit they get isn&#8217;t necessarily the same thing. It seems that sometimes even when they are annoyed with the feedback they get &#8212; from their peers or from me &#8212; they may still be learning the rhetorical concepts of the course. Maybe despite what annoyed them and maybe in spite of it. And even when they don&#8217;t complete the course &#8212; at all or to their satisfaction &#8212; they might still be learning. </p>
<p>Put another way, doesn&#8217;t the first part of this reflection &#8212; where you acknowledge that you know about audience awareness but somehow blew it anyway and are now attuned to it in a new way &#8212; argue that the peer reviews did matter, that you are learning and are therefore that you are &#8220;doing the work effectively&#8221;?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tenuous theory extended to an uncertain case, I know. I hope it doesn&#8217;t come off as antagonistic. Just exploring some other possible interpretations.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tiresome Insistence of the MOOC by Susan Antlitz</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/04/27/the-tiresome-insistence-of-the-mooc/#comment-41096</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Antlitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 02:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Traci has made a valid point about how the technology itself not something new. It&#039;s very much like the courseware platforms schools have been using for more than a decade, which amounts to a combination of web pages, discussion boards, and similar features, as she pointed out. I suspect that the difference that will matter for MOOCs is how people use that environment, the different mix of participants, and whether it can increase the amount of learning people choose to engage in beyond receiving formal credit. 

It&#039;s nice to be able to take classes without the hassle of enrolling in a university or degree program. Their free, and signing up for them is easy. Unlike other non-credit distance education methods, there&#039;s at least the opportunity for interaction, as opposed to something like DVDs or audio downloads from Great Courses/The Teaching Company or lectures from ITunes. 

Also interesting is how many MOOCs are lead by a team of teachers, with the opportunity for MOOCs to become interdisciplinary. That seems to happen rarely for more traditional courses.  

Susan Antlitz
Online Writing Instructor]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Traci has made a valid point about how the technology itself not something new. It&#8217;s very much like the courseware platforms schools have been using for more than a decade, which amounts to a combination of web pages, discussion boards, and similar features, as she pointed out. I suspect that the difference that will matter for MOOCs is how people use that environment, the different mix of participants, and whether it can increase the amount of learning people choose to engage in beyond receiving formal credit. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to be able to take classes without the hassle of enrolling in a university or degree program. Their free, and signing up for them is easy. Unlike other non-credit distance education methods, there&#8217;s at least the opportunity for interaction, as opposed to something like DVDs or audio downloads from Great Courses/The Teaching Company or lectures from ITunes. </p>
<p>Also interesting is how many MOOCs are lead by a team of teachers, with the opportunity for MOOCs to become interdisciplinary. That seems to happen rarely for more traditional courses.  </p>
<p>Susan Antlitz<br />
Online Writing Instructor</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tiresome Insistence of the MOOC by Robert McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/04/27/the-tiresome-insistence-of-the-mooc/#comment-41087</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan, as a writing teacher myself, I&#039;m personally very interested in how that particular course works, as I&#039;m sure many of our readers are, and you have the start of a terrific essay here answering exactly the kinds of questions we&#039;re trying to answer at MOOC News and Reviews. Please consider developing it for us when the course is done. Take a look at our Write for Us page and be in touch. You can reach me directly at editor at our domain name.

Robert McGuire
Editor, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moocnewsandreviews.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MOOC News and Reviews&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, as a writing teacher myself, I&#8217;m personally very interested in how that particular course works, as I&#8217;m sure many of our readers are, and you have the start of a terrific essay here answering exactly the kinds of questions we&#8217;re trying to answer at MOOC News and Reviews. Please consider developing it for us when the course is done. Take a look at our Write for Us page and be in touch. You can reach me directly at editor at our domain name.</p>
<p>Robert McGuire<br />
Editor, <a href="http://www.moocnewsandreviews.com/" rel="nofollow">MOOC News and Reviews</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tiresome Insistence of the MOOC by Susan Antlitz</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/04/27/the-tiresome-insistence-of-the-mooc/#comment-41085</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Antlitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The MOOC, like other places I write in, may have spoiled me with the option to edit my posts, however ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MOOC, like other places I write in, may have spoiled me with the option to edit my posts, however ;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tiresome Insistence of the MOOC by Susan Antlitz</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/04/27/the-tiresome-insistence-of-the-mooc/#comment-41083</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Antlitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your first question is a very important one, and the one that I feel I have the most to say about. What&#039;s most interesting or potentially useful about this kind of course format is not how it can be like more traditional kinds of onsite and online courses, but rather, how it is different. Trying to make MOOCs be like traditional classes is something I foresee getting in the way of some of their best potential. 

I&#039;ve looked at a few MOOCs, and I&#039;ve seen the &quot;talking head&quot; approach where there are videos and weekly quizzes. Although there are discussions, I found myself skipping those and just dealing with the videos and quizzes. My interested faded fast. 

I find Writing II: Rhetorical Composing (#WEXMOOC) to be more engaging. While there are videos each week, I don&#039;t feel it comes across as &quot;talking head&quot;-- and some of the videos from Week 1 were examples of literacy narratives from different writers, and the videos on World Englishes had different people telling about their experiences as well. So, in the videos, there are different voices, experiences, and perspectives, and it&#039;s narrative, not just lecture by one person. 

I approach it more with the mindset of it being a writing workshop, perhaps reminiscent of Peter Elbow&#039;s _Writing Without Teachers_. Because it&#039;s a writing class and workshop models have been for a long time, I think it makes the focus on peer interaction rather than teacher-student interaction work in ways that might not for other subjects. 

Added to the workshop-like feel of the course, the diversity of participants is interesting. There are people room all over the world with different levels of experience with writing, but also a variety of life experience and expertise in their different professions. This means that regardless of the person&#039;s experience with writing, the participants have a lot to say and can offer some insightful responses to the content of the essays. 

I think it would be a mistake to imagine that it&#039;s like 10,000 first or second year students who don;t have previous experience with writing. Among the participants are creative (fiction) writers who want to try a new kind of writing, business people, people whose jobs involve writing, people who work in editing or publishing, people whose first language is not English but who are working on graduate theses or dissertations, and even teachers. I&#039;ve just a few days, I&#039;ve connected with five or six English teachers in the discussion forum, who like myself, are there to bring some renewed passion into their own writing or teaching. All of these different kinds of people are out there in the discussion forum providing feedback and conversation, and I think it lessens the need for the course faculty to try to respond to everyone individually, though they have been posting in the forums, too. 

Another difference to note is that the participants are there by choice rather than because of a requirement, and my sense from reading the essays and posts is that the people in the course are motivated, want to be there, and are putting a lot into their involvement as a result. 

I know I couldn&#039;t have an experience like this in a traditional setup. But because it&#039;s freely available, I can afford it. And because I&#039;ve found other teachers who are there for similar reasons, I feel less awkward about it than I did at first. As I posted in the MOOC, I&#039;m there to be a writer in a community of writers. And I think the MOOC can work for that. 

It would be interesting to see what an entire discipline or professional organization could do with this kind of platform. What would it look like, for example, if the teachers and other professionals from TechRhet set up a MOOC as a space that could operate more like a research collective for various collaborative, community projects? Maybe it could be opened up so that instead of one leader or team creating content, members from all over the professional community could make guides, publications, resources, or even lessons available for teachers to draw on, but also for graduate students (who I&#039;m sure would be writing a lot of their own contributions to share), as well as the general public to explore. 

I&#039;m not entirely sure exactly what I&#039;m thinking there, but this format could be a way to organize some larger effort like that-- something scholars and professionals could use, but organized in a way that people could share it with students, and students themselves could sign up to be a part of. I feel some of these kinds of other uses of paradigms could be more productive than just limited MOOCs to trying to fit into the mold of traditional courses or formal education. 

It could be an interesting platform to try to use for an online conference, perhaps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first question is a very important one, and the one that I feel I have the most to say about. What&#8217;s most interesting or potentially useful about this kind of course format is not how it can be like more traditional kinds of onsite and online courses, but rather, how it is different. Trying to make MOOCs be like traditional classes is something I foresee getting in the way of some of their best potential. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve looked at a few MOOCs, and I&#8217;ve seen the &#8220;talking head&#8221; approach where there are videos and weekly quizzes. Although there are discussions, I found myself skipping those and just dealing with the videos and quizzes. My interested faded fast. </p>
<p>I find Writing II: Rhetorical Composing (#WEXMOOC) to be more engaging. While there are videos each week, I don&#8217;t feel it comes across as &#8220;talking head&#8221;&#8211; and some of the videos from Week 1 were examples of literacy narratives from different writers, and the videos on World Englishes had different people telling about their experiences as well. So, in the videos, there are different voices, experiences, and perspectives, and it&#8217;s narrative, not just lecture by one person. </p>
<p>I approach it more with the mindset of it being a writing workshop, perhaps reminiscent of Peter Elbow&#8217;s _Writing Without Teachers_. Because it&#8217;s a writing class and workshop models have been for a long time, I think it makes the focus on peer interaction rather than teacher-student interaction work in ways that might not for other subjects. </p>
<p>Added to the workshop-like feel of the course, the diversity of participants is interesting. There are people room all over the world with different levels of experience with writing, but also a variety of life experience and expertise in their different professions. This means that regardless of the person&#8217;s experience with writing, the participants have a lot to say and can offer some insightful responses to the content of the essays. </p>
<p>I think it would be a mistake to imagine that it&#8217;s like 10,000 first or second year students who don;t have previous experience with writing. Among the participants are creative (fiction) writers who want to try a new kind of writing, business people, people whose jobs involve writing, people who work in editing or publishing, people whose first language is not English but who are working on graduate theses or dissertations, and even teachers. I&#8217;ve just a few days, I&#8217;ve connected with five or six English teachers in the discussion forum, who like myself, are there to bring some renewed passion into their own writing or teaching. All of these different kinds of people are out there in the discussion forum providing feedback and conversation, and I think it lessens the need for the course faculty to try to respond to everyone individually, though they have been posting in the forums, too. </p>
<p>Another difference to note is that the participants are there by choice rather than because of a requirement, and my sense from reading the essays and posts is that the people in the course are motivated, want to be there, and are putting a lot into their involvement as a result. </p>
<p>I know I couldn&#8217;t have an experience like this in a traditional setup. But because it&#8217;s freely available, I can afford it. And because I&#8217;ve found other teachers who are there for similar reasons, I feel less awkward about it than I did at first. As I posted in the MOOC, I&#8217;m there to be a writer in a community of writers. And I think the MOOC can work for that. </p>
<p>It would be interesting to see what an entire discipline or professional organization could do with this kind of platform. What would it look like, for example, if the teachers and other professionals from TechRhet set up a MOOC as a space that could operate more like a research collective for various collaborative, community projects? Maybe it could be opened up so that instead of one leader or team creating content, members from all over the professional community could make guides, publications, resources, or even lessons available for teachers to draw on, but also for graduate students (who I&#8217;m sure would be writing a lot of their own contributions to share), as well as the general public to explore. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure exactly what I&#8217;m thinking there, but this format could be a way to organize some larger effort like that&#8211; something scholars and professionals could use, but organized in a way that people could share it with students, and students themselves could sign up to be a part of. I feel some of these kinds of other uses of paradigms could be more productive than just limited MOOCs to trying to fit into the mold of traditional courses or formal education. </p>
<p>It could be an interesting platform to try to use for an online conference, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tiresome Insistence of the MOOC by Robert McGuire</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/04/27/the-tiresome-insistence-of-the-mooc/#comment-41079</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My own answer to your first question is, Yes, it&#039;s an error to compare them to traditional classrooms. 

My answer to your last question is to listen to serious feedback from students who are actually taking the MOOCs, which is what we&#039;re trying to provide.

Good for you for signing up for one. When you finish, we&#039;d love to have you develop a review for us.

Robert McGuire
Editor, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moocnewsandreviews.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MOOC News and Reviews&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own answer to your first question is, Yes, it&#8217;s an error to compare them to traditional classrooms. </p>
<p>My answer to your last question is to listen to serious feedback from students who are actually taking the MOOCs, which is what we&#8217;re trying to provide.</p>
<p>Good for you for signing up for one. When you finish, we&#8217;d love to have you develop a review for us.</p>
<p>Robert McGuire<br />
Editor, <a href="http://www.moocnewsandreviews.com/" rel="nofollow">MOOC News and Reviews</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on On Writing When You Aren&#8217;t Sure What to Write by Traci Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/03/22/on-writing-when-you-arent-sure-what-to-write/#comment-39125</link>
		<dc:creator>Traci Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh. That&#039;s right, Allan, I&#039;m trying to steal all your ideas. It was more of a rhetorical question really, but I&#039;ll see if I can do something with one of these. I&#039;m still amazed you even read my post :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. That&#8217;s right, Allan, I&#8217;m trying to steal all your ideas. It was more of a rhetorical question really, but I&#8217;ll see if I can do something with one of these. I&#8217;m still amazed you even read my post :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Writing When You Aren&#8217;t Sure What to Write by Allan</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/03/22/on-writing-when-you-arent-sure-what-to-write/#comment-39123</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 06:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you just want to steal all of my ideas?

What about one of these:
1) Ways to deal with misbehaving students
2) Ways to Brain storm writing ideas (meta)
3) When you use more formal (3rd person) vs personal (1st person) writing styles
4) Write something about commas. I always use way too many commas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you just want to steal all of my ideas?</p>
<p>What about one of these:<br />
1) Ways to deal with misbehaving students<br />
2) Ways to Brain storm writing ideas (meta)<br />
3) When you use more formal (3rd person) vs personal (1st person) writing styles<br />
4) Write something about commas. I always use way too many commas.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2000 Posts!!! by Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.tengrrl.com/blog/2013/02/19/2000-posts/#comment-37930</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congrats! That&#039;s quite an accomplishment!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats! That&#8217;s quite an accomplishment!</p>
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